Learning Disabilities and ADHD
Nonverbal Learning Disorder
Doe anyone here know anything about Nonverbal Learning Disorder? I just read that it is mistaken for ADD, but is in fact something completely different. This may be something I have had growing up and it just hangs around into adulthood. I am now an adult. Persons who have this have difficulties with communications, plus a bunch of other symptoms. I would like to know more about this—personal knowledge. It may explain much about me.
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Hi Jayphill11, Do a quick google search and you’ll find information. I saw NLD compared to ADD/ADHD and Aspergers. This is from webmd.com:
Nonverbal learning disorder is a learning disorder that has many traits commonly associated with Asperger’s syndrome. Like those with Asperger’s syndrome, children with nonverbal learning disorder usually start to talk around 2 years of age (the age at which speech normally develops). They often have excellent memorization skills needed for reading and spelling. Also, they share a desire to form relationships but often fail because of poor social skills.
But these conditions are not the same. Children with nonverbal learning disorder have some distinguishing characteristics. A hallmark trait of the disorder is difficulty learning from the visual environment. Although they are poor visual learners, children with nonverbal learning disorder often excel at remembering information they hear. Children with Asperger’s syndrome are also good at remembering information they hear.
Children with nonverbal learning disorder often have difficulty with math, because math is often explained in a visual context and these children lack nonverbal reasoning skills.
While many people with Asperger’s syndrome have nonverbal learning disorder, not all do. Likewise, many people with nonverbal learning disorder do not have Asperger’s syndrome. Although these disorders are separate, they both involve similar differences in processing information and those affected may benefit from the same types of treatment.
I must, in all courtesy, disagree with whizinc. The difference between NVLD and Asperger’s is for all practical purposes only in the pathway to diagnosis, NOT in the actual condition.
“There is clearly a great deal of overlap between Aspergers Disorder (AD) and Nonverbal Learning Disabilities (NVLD), so much so that it is possible that the symptoms of each describe the same group of children from different perspectives?AD from either a psychiatric/behavioral perspective, and NVLD a neuropsychological perspective. The specific conventions of these diagnoses may lead to a somewhat different group of children meeting diagnostic criteria, but it is not clear that this reflects something ¡Ètrue¡É in nature. That is, it may only be convention that separates these two groups.”
http://www.nldontheweb.org/nldadvancedreading/aspergersdisordernld.html
I will say for an adult, there is a BIG difference in how employers and community respond based on whether the label is NVLD or Aspergers. NVLD is NOT covered well for accommodation in the workplace (it is NOT on ADA’s list of disabilities), and Aspergers is. THAT is a good consideration for parents to make when they get an NVLD label for their child from school diagnostics—especially since the Asperger’s accommodations will fit their child very well as adults.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Employment_for_individuals_with_Asperger.html?id=wRFD5MKGKk0C
I am diagnosed with both - NVLD in early adulthood when I couldn’t get through Calculus at college, and Aspergers only in the last few years when I discovered that my best efforts to do my job got me in trouble with colleagues. NVLD wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on, once I was no longer a student.
In working as a special educator, NVLD and HFA look pretty much the same in daily life, and are addressed the same way in interventions. The only difference I have seen in practice is where the diagnosis came from… school diagnostics or medical/counseling services… AND how employers react to adults.
My daughter has NVLD and ADHD. She is only 5 years old, but since she has been diagnosed I can tell the difference between the 2 issues. NVLD is a very global type of problem. My daughter is highly verbal, but has difficulty with fine and gross motor skills, visual spatial perception, and peer socialization (she does great with adults). I see the ADHD as a separate issues that also makes her impulsive, distractible and unfocused. According to our neuropsych NVLD and ADHD are both “frontal lobe” issues so I guess they are related in that way. Hope this helps and good luck!
When my daughter was in her first year of PreSchool, she was diagnosed with ADHD. The professionals believed that was her struggle based on the information provided and observations. I countered the diagnosis because some of the characteristics didn’t fit. She was really struggling even at that age, so we decided to put her on medication for ADHD. Fast forward to third grade, we received a lot of conflicting information, namely Intellectual Disability and that she was on the spectrum. What??? More diagnoses that don’t fit my child’s functioning behavior. We participated in a family study for children with Autism and were informed that she had NLD. Of course, we had never heard of it, but everything fit. We were able to obtain clear steps to help her function better in school. She successfully completed fourth grade and ended elementary school in the advanced class. Now, she is in the seventh grade in a private school (out of pocket), progressing nicely. She is no longer on ADHD medication and seems so much happier.
So, yes, it is possible that you have NLD. speak to a specialist who can really help you determine how to best meet your needs. Good Luck! As much as I know my daughter is happier now that she has a better understanding of her disability, I have realized that the label is unimportant. What matters is what the individual needs in order to be and feel successful.
My now 16 year old son was diagnosed with NVLD in the summer before his 3rd grade year. My husband said after the appointment that he just learned more about himself in the last hour than in the last almost 40 years. Our apple had not fallen far from our tree. In order to get services at school for our son the doctor said possible Asperger’s. This label helped my son get the special education help he needed. He is doing well with support in a private high school. I have done a lot of research on the net. There are also some great books out there. My son also has ADHD which he is treated for. I have a great kid that is doing well
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