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Gifted ADHD Children

Short (1-Question) Poll/Survey RE:intelligence & sub-type

From a topic that’s come up in another group, I’m wondering what the numbers look like and would appreciate your participation in this rather “unscientific” poll/survey.

For those with children identified as “gifted” in intelligence/academics, what sub-type of ADHD do they have: Primarily Inattentive, Combined, or Primarily Hyperactive-Impulsive?



Posted by aja on Apr 30, 2014 at 6:55pm

Son (12) Hyperactive-Impulsive

Posted by LKOC on Apr 30, 2014 at 6:58pm


Posted by HeartMom on Apr 30, 2014 at 6:59pm

Daughter (10) - All of thee above, but primarily Hyperactive-Impulsive.

Posted by Tamiller30022 on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:00pm

Combined, primary hyper/impulsive

Posted by NaturalMom on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:07pm

My 13-year-old daughter and I are both gifted, we are both combined type.

Posted by Sherra on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:09pm

My 11 year old daughter is Combined Type.

Posted by Erikamc74 on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:16pm

son (9) mostly impulsive, some hyperactive.

Posted by cwe_atl on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:26pm

13 yo daughter has combined.

Posted by MollyMS on Apr 30, 2014 at 7:38pm

Older one (12) has inattentive, younger one (8) has combined, probably (but most noticeably hyper/impulsive).

Posted by Katherine85 on Apr 30, 2014 at 8:20pm

Very good everyone and thanks for your responses.  I just noticed this thread that posted by another member.  I raised the topic due to my research and review and now is getting confirmation by most of you. Yes my answer and contention to the whole world of ADHD , specially experts that are still ignorant of this fact is that “hyperactive/impulsive” group are smarter and there is a correlation with high IQ.  You all welcome to read the discussion in the impulsivity group when it was raised by me last week. as i have mentioned, my years of patients observation and extensive review and research does not much confirm the existence of a “combined” type. I as a few other scientists in the field strongly believe that the two subtypes of hyperactivity/impulsivity and inattentive have two different etiologies and pathophysiologies so they can not be mixed. unfortunately the field and our diagnostic system, DSM now in 5th edition that everyone follows blindly like a bible is far from recognition of these facts, but perceive ADHD as more associated with low IQ, even mental retardation, autism, learning disabilities and so on.  Imagine how many poor such kids are mis-labeled and mis-diangosed and mis-treated by the whole society at large.  that is why among my busy practice, i take the time and effort to do the research, writing here and elsewhere, then and now to get the true recognition for our such kids who are not disabled but are the bright, super-intelligent generations of tomorrow.

Posted by Dr.Showraki on Apr 30, 2014 at 9:38pm

Inattentive. Very little impulsiveness.

Posted by Juggler on May 01, 2014 at 5:04am

Boy, 11, Combined type, HIGH hyperactivity, SPD, Dysgraphia, Written Expression Disorder, severe EF deficits, possible high-functioning autism, and high IQ.

I am curious, out of all of you, who’s kids are most interested in science and/or math? I feel like there’s a high population of kids with ADHD good at and interested in science in math.

ADDconnect Moderator & Mom to Tween Boy with ADHD and LDs

Posted by adhdmomma on May 01, 2014 at 4:14pm

10 year old - Inattentive with anxiety.

Posted by heathrowga on May 02, 2014 at 1:19am

Boy 15 combined. I joke he is like a savant in math because nothing stops him and he is in the advanced HS classes but barely strings 2 words together for a conversation.
Girl 11 combined. Math is a passion.

Posted by Vicki A on May 02, 2014 at 3:27pm

My 10 year old daughter is especially gifted in math.

Posted by Tamiller30022 on May 02, 2014 at 5:36pm

Dr. Showraki:
I would be very interested in your theory to break out ADD-Inattentive type from the typical (hyperactive) ADHD. The anecdotal evidence presented here notwithstanding, my ADD-inattentive daughter tested in the normal range on a “standard” IQ test, but in the top 1% of verbal IQ. My theory is that the ADD inattentive type kids will typically have above-average intelligence in spatial, art and verbal skills.

I am extremely dubious of the label “Gifted” itself, as this truly applies to less than 1% of the overall population, but has been liberally applied to the top 10% or even the top 15% of any given class in any given public school.  It’s a misnomer, folks.

Posted by Suxie on May 02, 2014 at 8:49pm

I’m dubious of that label as well (hence why I put it in quotation marks in my initial question)...just FYI.

Posted by BC on May 02, 2014 at 8:57pm

Two boys combined type.  Fourteen year old in advanced math and advanced science.  Nine year old (no advanced classes available yet) does VERY well in math and loves science.

Posted by Cameo on May 02, 2014 at 9:05pm

Boy, 14, impulsive, highly gifted in math, science and computer programming—tends to hyperfocus when working in these areas.  Yet has EF challenges (initiating, sustaining attention, procrastinating)  in areas he does not enjoy - written assignments and foreign language.  It’s not a lack of ability in these subjects, but writing and foreign language may be putting too much of a load on his EF abilities.

Posted by Lande on May 03, 2014 at 2:27am

7 yo Identical twin girls - both combined ADHD - one inattentive and one impulsive.  combined IQ’s of 140/144 respectively and both dyslexic+  Math and Science gifts for both and art is a passion for both too. Reading and writing not so much, we are overcoming the kryptonite symptoms the sight of books bring slowly at this time smile

Verbal IQ’s were highest for both girls but I don’t recall specifics at the moment…...

Posted by 3Peaches on May 03, 2014 at 6:28pm

My 15 year old daughter has inattentive add and has been in Gifted classes since 3rd grade.  She is more writing and art than math science oriented

Posted by va mom on May 03, 2014 at 9:37pm

Boy, 13, very impulsive, 99.9+ in academic knowledge, hyper focuses in technology, math, science - loses interest in writing ( not the expression, which he hyper focuses but the grammar/punctuation/organization).

Posted by Marcelle on May 05, 2014 at 4:55pm

Sorry folks, i was swarmed with work so missed this group discussion that is one of my favourites. Back to Suxie’s questions from me and point to the last discussion here from Marcelle.  I agree that “gifted” perhaps is a general term and may not mean much, though makes parents happy and proud.  this does not mean that your children if labeled as gifted, they are not but they are perhaps, but how much , to what degree and in what that is a big question and that almost on one or no IQ tests can answer it at the present time. This takes us to the subject of what intelligence really is that i have detailed as much as i could in my writings.  some experts in the field and in personal communication with them , even do not believe and cannot define what intelligence is.
in brief , intelligence has many aspects and is not limited to what our current tests e.g. WAIS or WISC could measure.  For example a musician, playing well an instrument or composes, is intelligent in music; an electrician could be intelligent in his work and an athlete needs intelligence of its own type to succeed, not just the physical strength as our body is run by our brain. on the other side, what ADHD is about basically is about attention.  but we do not have only one type of attention, and the field of ADHD has not yet explored this, so you have to go to the field of neuroscience of cognition and attention, that i have detailed elsewhere.  briefly, what is measured in tests and in ADHD is “sustained attention” that requires a relatively static brain compared to other types of attention, i.e. divided, switching, and selective attentions that require a dynamic brain. ADHD of hyperactive/impulsive have a dynamic brain, so that is why almost all of you admit to your children intelligence in math, science, etc. not verbal, written and language skills that requires more of static attention that demands more patience.
on the issue of combined subtype that i have argued earlier that i do not believe to exist is that of course if the hyperactive child cannot maintain a sustained attention, he would be distracted and he will be labeled as “inattentive”, but he is not!  he has a dynamic attention and he is good in tasks that demands a fast paced attention, or and he is selective   and bored with what does not interest him. So i suspect almost all combined type are actually hyperactive/impulsive , but have different degrees of hyperactivity and impulsivity.  For example girls are generally do not show their hyperactivity as boys do. and hyperactivity is not presented only in motor restlessness, but talking too much, being impatient, not being interested in usual and boring things,etc. Impulsivity presents itself in different grades and forms, e.g. as simple as being silly, giggling, not serious, funny, etc.  Hope this has helped a bit. Now I need your feedbacks and experience.

Posted by Dr.Showraki on May 06, 2014 at 6:50pm

Found out something kind of interesting when I went back through all the DSM criteria.  When I was diagnosed the DSM-IV was being used, and the only reason I didn’t qualify for the hyperactive/impulsive type was because I could only check off 5 (not 6).  I could, however, check off 6+ of the inattentive type. 

Using the STRICT criteria for typing—I’ve been “stretching the truth” a bit by calling myself “combined” all these years.  Yet now that DSM-5 is here, I qualify “fair & square” for the combined type (at least 5 of each). 

And this is why I’ve never really been “sold” on the 3 different types explanation.  I knew that the hyperactive symptoms I showed were only different in “presentation” from my husband’s outright, gross, physical hyperactivity since he is a boy & I am a girl, as just one example.

And now that I’m thinking about it, I just kind of internally rejected the “inattentive” subtype I *should have* been diagnosed with (based on DSM-IV criteria) because whatever things I did that APPEARED to be inattentive were based on my mind being NOT on the subject at hand (just deeply involved with Something Else).  Observing behaviors is not the same thing as explaining what is going on behind the observable behaviors. 

Further, the impulsive criteria (which I got a whopping 3 out of 3 diagnostic check-marks for) were the big KEY things which had had so much more “real” impact on life, in general.  In fact, when I initially took one of the much longer & more detailed screenings for ADHD I didn’t “make criteria”—UNTIL I had my husband rate me.  He didn’t do what I had done, which was BELIEVE I was much less impatient than I am.  He was able to cut through the “observable behaviors” to make a check-mark where I had not.  The only reason I BELIEVED that I deal fairly with things like waiting in line is that as an adult I simply avoid anything that could possibly bring out that monster in me that will possibly go ballistic on someone if I get stuck in a situation like that for too long.

Posted by BC on May 18, 2014 at 3:04am

I just posted another thread in the inattentive group discussion, refuting this subtype and explaining that this subtype has a different etiology and pathophysiology than hyperactive/impulsive ADHD. The problem is DSM classification that everybody relies on.  This classification is only descriptive and unlike other parts of medicine, it is not etiological and biological.  It is simply based on making diagnosis by grouping symptoms. But the fact is that not any body with cough has pneumonia or anybody with shortness of breath has asthma or anybody with chest pain has angina.  In psychiatry not everybody with depressed mood has major depression and so on. That is why in psychiatry, things and disorders overlap that in real life and in nature and inside your brain they do not. How could possibly as some studies claim, autism and ADHD could co-exist while they have two different   not only pathophysiology but also developmental pathophysiology and genetics. So blame it all on DSM and do not take it as holly book!

Posted by Dr.Showraki on May 19, 2014 at 4:04pm

Girl, 14, combined, or NOS, primarily inattentive.

Posted by Topcatte on May 20, 2014 at 11:38pm

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