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Very Frustrating!

Ladies and Gentlemen I’m posting a link to an article that I just read that made my blood boil.  As if we didn’t have enough trouble getting the validation and help we needed, this popped up to make it that much harder. 

Read for yourselves and see what I mean.

I would like to know how he can responsibly make such a claim when we have biological evidence of the disorder in the form of comprehensive brain scans as well as a battery of diagnostic tests?

And furthermore, how do we manage damage control with the general public who already view this as a “fad” disease and a convenient excuse to be lazy and get drugs? 

I’d really like to meet this man and give him my kid for a week.  Un-medicated.  On sugar.  Good luck.
Or let me pay his bills and manage his money for a couple months…he may change his mind in a hurry.


The article by Dr Saul is a mix of his personal opinions and a few annecdotes.
the comments are from two groups
- those who have or whose family has ADD/AHD
- those who think that discipline/diet/nothing/no sugar/no TV/ avoid big pharma/ **** is the answer.

Many comments refer to a bad diagnosis by a doctor and then assume (HOW??) that this proves that ADD/ADHD does not exist.
All it proves is that that there are some bad diagnoses out there.

Are people really that ignorant and self-centred that they never read anything about a topic?

Posted by Bob from Cootamundra on Feb 18, 2014 at 5:18pm

Not sure I found the article as disturbing as you did Bob. Perhaps I agree with part of the article that says ADD may be over diagnosed. In my opinion, I think that is the case, and too many other potential causes are eliminated by pointing the finger at ADD and medicating.
I’m in no position to debate the difference between a “diagnosis” and a series of “symptoms” but making a diagnosis for anything, ADD, diabetes, alcoholism, etc., carries a stigma for life that perhaps is unnecessary. A competent physician can still treat symptoms if necessary, but to label every child (or adult) that acts up or against a phoney standard, is a cop-out, misleading, and yes perhaps lazy.
Not sure I agree that ADD does not exist or that it does not fit the criteria for an official diagnosis (maybe someone can chime in here), but I do agree that it is “over diagnosed” and kids and adults are unnecessarily labeled as such.

Posted by Bapa on Feb 18, 2014 at 9:31pm

Okay, so I read the article and all I really noticed was one person giving an opinion of another person’s writing of a book.  Frankly, the reviewer has neither a concept of what ADD/ADHD is about or how to go about getting a correct diagnosis, or determining whether the problem is ADD/ADHD or simply bad behavior.  In short, he did not do his research.

This “Saul” is supposed to be a doctor?  He refers to the doctors that he knows as “colleagues”...  If he believes that their diagnostic procedures are “iffy” then he needs to call them on it, not condemn the diagnosis as bogus based on what he has decided based on their bad practices.

My diagnosing psychiatrist held an MD degree, but he also held degrees in Bio-science and a PhD in psychology and behavior.  He had certain requirement of his patients when they first came to him for a diagnosis.  Not only did you not get a prescription on your first visit; you also had to undergo testing so that he could justify writing any prescription.  A doctor who will not do such things is not living up to his or her oath.

In addition to the items above, he ordered a complete set of laboratory tests to determine if some of th problem s could be nutrition-related.  He even encouraged other “disciplines” to help when meds alone would not do the entire job.  He required that his patients conform with the treatment protocol or he would stop seeing them.  If they chose to go to another psychiatrist, he wrote a summary of the treatment to date and sent it along with the records that were transferred.  In short, he told the next doctor why he would no longer treat the patient.

Doctors and patients must both enter a treatment plan with the intention of doing all of what is needed to get to a good treatment plan.  If that does not happen, then either or both of the parties has not done their half of the bargain.

I do believe that ADD/ADHD is diagnosed too often.  Parents do not teach their children what they need to know before they enter school.  No, it is not the babysitter’s job!  Neither is it the teacher’s job to teach them to sit still and be quiet in class.  That is something that they should have been taught at home.  Parents who do not have time to do this need to change whatever it is that is keeping them from being real parents.

School is not about entertainment.  It is about learning.  Kids cannot and do not learn in a noisy, out-of-control atmosphere that is chaotic because the kids do not know how to sit down an be quiet and the teacher is afraid to do anything about it..

Frankly, for many parents today, I think that they lack parenting skills that will serve their children for the future or they are too afraid of being stricter with their kids before they get to school.  They did not like what their parents imposed on them in the way of behavior, so they slack with their own kids.  That is a foolish path to take.  Sadly, it is the one most often taken.

It is the job of the parents to prepare their children to be in school and behave while they are there.  It is the teacher’s job to teach the students and not have to teach them how to behave in school.

Medication is not the only answer for ADD.  A whole lot more can and should be done at home to help children who are struggling.  Turn off the TV.  Turn off the phones and other electronics.  There is a time for homework and a time for chores and a time for fun things, but not when they interfere with what is supposed to be getting done.

Is it REALLY ADD/ADHD or is it bad parenting with the resulting spoiled and willful child?

Posted by Dianne in the Desert on Feb 18, 2014 at 10:44pm

Although I have not read the book, I agree completely with some of the excerpts or comments made from it.

For examle, it states that “ADHD is not a condition on its own, but rather a symptom complex caused by over twenty separate conditions—from poor eyesight and giftedness to bipolar disorder and depression—each requiring its own specific treatment.” 

In my specific case, giftedness, poor eyesight and a natural introversion made my family and teachers label me as lazy or not up to par.  These labels stuck with me my whole life, bringing on an inferiority complex and anxiety.

When I hit College in the 90´s, an expert diagnosed me with ADD (that’s how it was known back then).  This diagnosis catapulted me into a roller coaster ride of endless medicine prescriptions that did not work because the focus has always been on ADD, not my deep psychological programming that caused anxiety.

So I, for one, think that the book´s message should be taken seriously.  I am sure there are many cases like mine out there.  They are either numbed out with medicines or completely brainwashed because of a label.  That´s just my opinion.

I have wished my whole life some adult with authority and good common sense would have recognized early on, the fact that I was bored out of my mind with the way knowledge is taught in school.  Maybe my life would have been different, only God knows.  But if this book is going to wake up some people and bring them to their senses, I´m in favor of it.

Posted by mmori on Feb 19, 2014 at 12:01pm

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